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Richi
(@richi)
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Hi!

Ich habe soeben beim Stöbern auf den IBC-Seiten einige Betta-Arten entdeckt, die mir absolut neu sind.
Das wären:

Betta obscura (Akarensis-Gruppe)
Betta cracens, Betta lehi, Betta stigmosus und Betta rajan (Pugnax-Gruppe)
Betta stiktos (Splendens-Gruppe)
Betta gladiator und Betta pallifina (Unimaculata-Gruppe)

Weiss jemand von euch etwas Genaueres über diese Arten?

Übrigens hier gefunden:
http://www.ibc-smp.org/Pages/complex.html

LG,
Ric


   
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Stefan
(@stefan)
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Beigetreten: Vor 19 Jahren
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They made type errors and should be stigmosa and raja. I wrote a large summary of all the new species plus photos, hopefully it's in the next Makropode. If you want to know more please put down your questions here; I'll be more than happy to answer them!

Oh and rubra is ressurected as a valid species belonging to the foerschi group 🙂


   
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Richi
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Hi Stefan!

Glad to see you here - i'm pretty surprised about such a lot of new species in such a short period of time.
Maybe you can tell me something about Betta stiktos - is it as similar to splendens as imbellis is, or are there more differences between this new species and the former splendens-typed fish?
How does it look like? Are there already photos available on the net?

Longing for answers ;),
Ric


   
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Stefan
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Some of the new species have been waiting for years. Probably they decided to do a lot of species in two papers at once, thus easier. Stiktos. A very interesting one if you ask me! It looks like the actual wild splendens only it has dots on its dorsal fin; black transverse bars on the caudal fin. They come from Cambodia, the Mekong drainage. There's very, very little known about this species. Perhaps someone here has collected them in the past? No live photos available (looking myself too), yet....

Gladiator interests me as Tan & Ng couldn't keep two specimens together as they were always fighting heavily. So far no live photos of:

cracens
stiktos
obscura
pallifina (description shows a photo of live fish on a plate, not in the water so colours are different)
rubra

And also none of aurigans (from a different paper). So if anyone has photos of one or more of these species.... 🙂

I have photos of all the rest in my new paper except pallifina and gladiator. For more/other photos you can check on the Petfrd forum.

Raja is interesting as well: the paper says 99 % of all fusca we have is raja and that live fusca hasn't been collected for a long, long time and is curently only known from the type series.

Some photos:


Betta raja


Betta stigmosa


Betta lehi


   
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(@klaus-de-leuw)
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Hello Stefan,

I think, your english ist much easier to understand than any german produced by translating machines. Please don´t let translate your very interesting postings!

So long!
Klaus

Excuse me, but my english ist very broken! javascript:emoticon(':D')


   
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Stefan
(@stefan)
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Beigetreten: Vor 19 Jahren
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Hi Klaus, thank you very much! I won't translate anymore. Norbert wrote me how terrible the translator German was and said I could write in English haha! He was right. :)

Please don't apologise for your English; it's not bad at all. Please do feel free to write in German; I understand most of it.

As long as we're talking about new species: someone is describing sp. Mahachai right now :) And with any luck, someone will work on the foeschi group; I think a lot of new species will be named for that group. But that's just a guess; I haven't heard anyone actually working on them (which doesn't mean no noe is....).


   
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Thorsten-HH
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Beigetreten: Vor 19 Jahren
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Hi Stefan, hi klaus,

I ´ve found a list on betta club singapore :written by julian (moderator)
must do this on this way, cause don´t know to paste the pdf-file!! (sorry Julian)

Have you both contact to a Betta friend in asia? to import some of the newest bettas??

List from Betta Club Singapore:

Betta bellica group

Betta bellica : Malaysia;Sumatra
betta simorum : Sumatra

Betta pugnax group

Betta pugnax : Malaysia;Sumatra
Betta fusca : Sumatra
Betta schalleri : Sumatra
Betta prima : Thailand; Cambodia
Betta enisae : Kalimantan
Betta pulchra : Malaysia (Johor*)
Betta breviobesus : Kalimantan (Kapuas*)
#Betta lehi : Sarawak*;Kalimantan (Kapuas)
#Betta stigmosus : Malaysia ( Terengganu*)

Betta akarensis group

Betta akarensis : Sarawak (north to central*)
Betta balunga : Sabah; Kalimantan
Betta chini :Sabah
Betta pinguis : Kalimantan Barat(kapuas*)
Betta aurigans : Natuna Besar*
Betta ibanorum: Sarawak
#Betta obscura : kalimantan Tengah

Betta unimaculata group

Betta unimaculata : Kalimantan Timur (Kayan*)
Betta macrostoma : Sarawak(north Sarawak*), ; Brunei (Belait District)
Betta patoti : Kalimantan Timur
Betta ocellata : Sabah, Kalimantan Timur
#Betta gladiator : Sabah
#Batta pallifina : Kalamantan Tengah (upper Barito*)

Betta picta group

Betta pica : Java (Bogor*)
Betta taeniata : Sarawak (south Sarawak*)
Betta simplex : Thailand (South Thailand-Krabi*)
Betta falx : Sumatra (Jambi*)

Betta splendens group

Betta coccina group

Betta coccina : Sumatra (Jambi*), Malaysia (Johor)
Betta tussyae : Malaysia (Pahang*)
Betta persephone : Malaysia (Johor*)
Betta rutilans (Kapuas*)
Betta brownorum : Sarawak (central* to south )
Betta livida : Malaysia (Selangor*)
Betta miniopinna : Sumatra (Riau-Bintan*)
Betta burdigala : Sumatre (Banka*)

Betta waseri group

Betta waseri: Malaysia (Pahang*,Terengganu, Kuantan)
Betta hipposideros: Malaysia(Selangor*), Sumatra(Riau)
Betta spilotogena : Sumatra(Riau-Binta*,Singkep)
Betta chloropharynx: Sumatra (Banka*)
Betta renata : Sumatra (Jambi*, South Sumatra)
Betta pi: Thailand (south Thailand-Sungai Kolok*); Malaysia (Kelantan)

Betta edithae group

Betta edithae: Kalimantan Selatan*, Bintan

Betta foerschi group

Betta foerschi : Kalimantan Tengah(Mentaya*)
Betta strohi : Kalimantan Tengah (Sukamara*)
Betta rubra : Sumatra ( North Sumatra*, Aceh)

Betta anabatoides group

Betta anabatoides: Kalimantan Selatan*,

Betta albimarginata group

Betta albimarginata : Kalimantan
Betta channoides: Kalimantan

Betta dimidiata group

Betta dimidiata: Kalimantan Barat (Kapuas*)

# New species
* Type locality

--Gruß aus der schönsten Stadt der Welt ---HAMBURG --IGL498--


   
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(@klaus-de-leuw)
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Hi Stefan, hi klaus,

...

Have you both contact to a Betta friend in asia? to import some of the newest bettas??

Hallo Thorsten,

kurz und knapp: Nein.

Gruß, Klaus

PS: Falls Du meinen in HH lebenden Bruder triffst, grüße ihn schön 😉


   
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(@anonymous)
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Beigetreten: Vor 12 Jahren
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@klaus

schade!!
wenn dein bruder öfters beim bssw/igl treffen ist --wird gedrüsst :bounce: :D :D

gruß aus hamburg

habt ihr denn Erfahrung mit importieren von Fisch(Wildfang)???


   
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Thorsten-HH
(@thorsten-hh)
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Beigetreten: Vor 19 Jahren
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:bier:
@all
gast war ich hatte mich nich eingeloggt!!!
Asche über mein Haupt 🙄 O- O- O-

thx thorsten

--Gruß aus der schönsten Stadt der Welt ---HAMBURG --IGL498--


   
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Stefan
(@stefan)
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It should be stigmosa (spelled wrong in Juilian's list). Also from the splendens group stiktos is missing in the list :) Haven't imported any of the new species, some might be possible but I don't have the space right now for more. Though all Sumatran fusca are raja so there's a new species all around us already. Don't know what those from Banka are though....they're not supposed to be fusca....


   
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